Posted by: nathanfinn | March 31, 2008

Please Nominate a Baptist Layperson for SBC President

The following was originally published as the second half of a post titled “A Humble Plea to Southern Baptist Politicos: Observations and Proposal.” The original post appeared on this blog on April 7, 2007. My thoughts have not changed, so I have decided to start this conversation again as we get closer to the 2008 Southern Baptist Convention in Indianapolis. The paragraphs below have been mildly edited to better reflect the current situation in the convention.

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As it stands right now, there are two or three candidates for the presidency of the Southern Baptist Convention. Bill Wagner and Frank Cox are definitely running. I keep hearing that Wiley Drake is also running, but I don’t recall any official documentation to that effect. Al Mohler, of course, backed out of the race a few weeks ago due to health concerns. No one I know of is ruling out another candidate or two before all is said and done, and several names continue to circulate in the corridors. Unlike many, I think this is a healthy thing; it is good to see actual elections again in the SBC.

In light of the fact that the era of the contested presidential election has returned, I want to ask everyone out there who is part of any group discussing potential presidential candidates, whether formally or informally, to nominate a Baptist layperson in 2008.

If you are in my generation, you have never seen a non-pastor or SBC administrator serve as president of the SBC. In fact, if the SBC presidency is any indication, we are a clergy-dominated denomination, which is quite interesting considering our non-hierarchical polity. Historically, the vast majority of SBC presidents have been pastors or administrators, though seven convention presidents have been laymen, most recently Owen Cooper in 1973-74. But that was over thirty years ago.

Now to be fair, there are a number of non-clergy who have been very active in SBC life. In the 1980s, Charles Pickering, John Baugh, T. C. Pinckney, Norman Cavender, and Jimmy Carter were all involved, to varying degrees, in denominational life. Zig Ziglar served as a vice president of the convention. And of course there would likely have been no conservative movement were it not for a certain judge from Houston. In our post-Controversy context, there continues to be a number of laymen active in SBC leadership, one of whom made headlines last year due to his controversial (and ill-informed) comments about the emerging church movements. But none of these folks have been president of the SBC. Not even Judge Pressler.

Which raises an interesting question–are we past the point in SBC history when an informed layperson can serve as president of the SBC? Is it really the case that only seminary presidents and men who pastor churches of 1500 or more (and often 5000 or more) are competent to lead Southern Baptists? I certainly hope not. [Note: with the backlash against Al Mohler's earlier nomination, one wonders if administrators have now been disqualified so that large church pastors are the only viable candidates.]

I admit up front that it would take a special type of layperson. First, he would have to have some name recognition, something my friend Bart Barber noted in a comment on the earlier version of this post. Second, he would have to have the ability to do some traveling as he represents Southern Baptists in various settings, a concern raised by several folks in their comments. Third, he would have to be knowledgeable about how the SBC works; now is not the time for neophytes. Rather, it is the time for statesmen.

Finally, he would have to be someone who could help unify a divided denomination and be willing to stand up to “prickly” personalities, both within the status quo and among various dissenting movements. This last one should be required of anyone who seeks to be president, whether layman, megachurch pastor, administrator, or youth minister. Again, what we need right now is a statesman.

I also admit that I do not have a particular layperson in mind at this time. Frankly, even if I did, I would not nominate him; as a paid SBC employee, I would be uncomfortable nominating a candidate for a national denominational office. So there is no judge, food distribution magnate, secular politician, or self-help guru in the back of my mind. Which is why I am asking those who do know a layperson who would be a good candidate to take the lead and nominate him.

The time has come–is probably long past–for a layperson to serve as president of the Southern Baptist Convention. So I hope that convention kingmakers, whether real, perceived, or wannabe, will consider nominating a non-ordained individual to serve as the next president of the denomination.

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I agree. But I doubt it will happen. If it does, it’d probably the likely person to bring peace to the Middle East.

And we KNOW where THAT might lead.

Nathan-

I like the idea, and would probably support a layman, where he to run. I am fairly unconvinced that his candidacy would be a viable one, however.

I think there is a significantly better chance for a pastor of a smaller church (under 1,000 in worship) to be elected and would love to also see that happen.

More than anything, however, I am interested in two priorities for SBC President. First, I want to see an irenic president. In my experience of convention life (which is admittedly brief - going back 15 years or so) there have been two men that have risen to the top in this regard, in my opinion. They would be Frank Page and Jim Henry. Secondly, I would like to see a president committed to the infusion of new people in areas of convention life. Dr. Page has done a phenomenal job of involving those who have never been involved before and that is an enormous issue for me.

I’m looking for a candidate that can help in those two areas. As of yet, I am still looking for that candidate this year. Hopefully someone will step up to the forefront.

Hi Nathan

I am part of Bill Wagner’s staff and I was encouraged to see your post asking if a layman could run for and win the SBC presidency post. Actually, Bill is a small church pastor, a life-long missiologist, a church growth expert, and he is based out of Northern California. There has never been an SBC president with this background, and regarding the location, there never has been one West of Texas or North of Maryland. The SBC is a national denomination, and it makes sense to have a broader representation in the presidential position. His views are all made clear on his website at http://www.williamwagner.org/.

Mark

Bob, I would love to see peace in the Middle East.

Micah, my second choice would be to see a “small” church pastor, which amazingly could be someone in a church running 1200 people and still be considered small according to SBC presidential standards. I would love to see a pastor of a healthy church that runs, say, 250-500 people and has a track record of the right kind of growth (baptized bodies, not wet statistics). I totally agree with the two things you want to see.

Mark, thanks for your comment–I am familiar with Mr. Wagner’s campaign for presidency.

NAF

I vote for Kathleen Nelson.

COF,

Nicely done.

NAF

Nathan,

Would you mind informing us of exactly how one goes about nominating someone for President of the Convention. I don’t have any intention of doing so at the moment, but if someone wanted to follow your advice, would they know how to do it? I’d love to know how it all works.

Thanks,
Justin

Justin,

If you wanted to nominate someone for the presidency, you would first (obviously) seek their permission. Assuming they are agreeable, the normal procedure has been to publicly announce your intention to nominate the individual via Baptist Press and other media, like blogs. That’s all that is necessary before the convention, though Bill Wagner is changing that some by actually promoting a specific platform through his website and emails.

Once you are at the convention, the sitting President or whomever is moderating will announce that anyone interested in nominating someone for President needs to meet at such-and-such a time to make sure that the committee on order of business knows your intentions. At that meeting, I assume they tell you were to be when. At the appropriate time in the program, all individuals who are nominating candidates will be on the platform and will have a chance, one by one, to make a brief nomination speech (normally 2-3 minutes) for their candidate. And then the votes are cast until someone gets 50.01%.

I am not an expert on parliamentary procedure, so I am open to correction if I missed something, but I think that’s the basics of how it works.

NAF

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Nathan,

Wonderful idea! Talk about a way to remove some of the political atmosphere.

Mark

I’m a little slow with my blog reading this week, but I think that Nelson chick sounds like a good idea—however, that might get a little sticky when she delivers the convention sermon……….

No One in Particular,

Things would get especially sticky if, as I suspect, “that Nelson chick” proved to better handle of a text of Scripture than some of the speakers we have heard in recent years. But since she would never accept a nomination, even from Culture of Fear, this is really a moot point.

NAF

You may not know her as well as you think—-I “hear tell” she can be quite rebellious….she might accept the nomination for the laughs……….

I like the idea. However, some would find it extremely difficult to critique him since CP giving has become the new litmus test for true spirituality.

What would you say would be deal-breakers on any nominations? It’s hard to find small church pastors or laypersons who can stand toe-to-toe with the gazillion-baptisms-and-5-quadrillion-dollars-CP-giving megapastors normally put forward…

In my mind, deal-breakers for any candidate would be:

1. Moral problems, which fortunately is unlikely

2. Troubling theology: weak on the gospel, Baptist ecclesiology, or both

3. A lack of support of for SBC causes, though some churches have good reasons for not giving through the official CP

4. A weak commitment to missions and evangelism, though numbers do not tell the whole story in these matters

Those are not in any particular order, but that’s how I think about these things. If there are more than one good candidate, then I start wrestling with questions like who will better lead us, who would I rather want representing Southern Baptists in the public square, who is the better role model for students and younger ministers, etc.

NAF

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