Posted by: nathanfinn | May 12, 2008

Attention Southern Baptists: There Are No More Secrets

In the last three weeks, at least two different semi-private emails have been leaked to prominent bloggers. The first was an exchange involving a number of people, myself included, regarding the wording of the Yarnell-Barber Resolution on Regenerate Church Membership. A couple dozen folks were involved in the discussion, and there was some give-and-take (as is the case with all consensus statements), but in the end almost every person involved in the discussion publicly endorsed the resolution. The plot thickened, however, when someone sent at least portions of those exchanges to Wade Burleson, who highlighted the give-and-take aspect of the discussions on his blog.

About ten days ago, New Orleans Seminary provost Steve Lemke sent an email to his faculty. The purpose of the email was to inform his faculty about the Yarnell-Barber Resolution. Someone leaked that email to Paul Littleton, who has blogged about it today at SBC Outpost. According to Paul, the email contained some critical remarks about Tom Ascol, who of course has proposed a Resolution on Integrity in Church Membership for the third year in a row. Paul also raises some interesting questions about honesty, which will no doubt make for some vigorous discussion in the comments section over the next day or two.

No doubt some will respond to these two events by bemoaning the fact that Wade and Paul would publish this material. After all, neither of them were included in the original emails, hence the “semi-private” nature of the correspondence. Others will complain about the unknown (at least to me) individuals who forwarded these emails on to Wade, Paul, and who knows who else. One of the complaints some have had about Wade’s blog for over two years is that he makes public what ought to be left private. Wade responds by noting that relatively few things should remain private because SBC agencies serve all Southern Baptists and that interested Baptists deserve to know what’s happening at their CP-funded institutions.

I am not interested in either defending or criticizing Wade, Paul, or the individual(s) who forwarded them the items of correspondence referenced above (or any other correspondence). They have each one made their decisions for their reasons. Besides, there are plenty of others who will either excoriate them or call them blessed because they have chosen to make information like this available to the wider public, or at least that portion of the public that reads SBC-focused blogs. Instead, I want to speak to the new reality that has been ushered in by the blogs.

Take note, my fellow Southern Baptists: there are no more secrets. At least not many. From the denomination’s inception, the SBC has been influenced by a Group of individuals who possessed both the ministry platfrom and the desire to help direct the general trajectory of the SBC. The Group has changed over time–people come and go, after all. The ministry platforms have changed–the leading churches of 1867 are not necessarily the leading churches of 2008, while the institutions and boards of 1885 have expanded into the institutions and boards of 2008. The theologies have changed–the mostly consistent Calvinism of 1850 gave way to the atheological pragmatism and progressivism of 1960 that was replaced by the more broadly conservative and relatively revivalistic theology of 2008. And regardless of lifetime, platform, and theology, the Group is always in flux; simply stated, not every engaged Baptist leader cares about every issue of their era. But there has always been a Group, which may or may not be a bad thing, depending upon the convictions and practices of the particular Group in question.

Modern technology played a critical role in the Group’s transformation into a conservative body. Many of the pastors and professors and missionaries who would later become the current manifestation of the Group used computer mailing lists, conference calls, and airport conference rooms to help facilitate a grassroots movement to replace the then-Group with a new Group. Mission accomplished. Once emails came along, the Group was able to communicate almost instantaneously, effortlessly contract and expand for each given issue, and keep Group members informed about priorities, policies, and potential problems.

Flash forward to 2005 or so, and technology began to play a critical role in the undermining of the Group. Message boards had already tilled the soil, as it were, because information was disseminated on discussion threads that was once relegated to water cooler chats, annual meeting dinner and lunch recesses, and seminary cafeteria gossip. Then some of the message boarders (and many others) began to use their blogs to help communicate their concerns to anyone with a RSS feed or a “Favorites” function on their web browser. The information communicated was a mixed bag. Some of it included legitimate scoops, creating a sort of shadow-media that worked alongside (and often outdid) Baptist Press and Associated Baptist Press. Some of it was insightful commentary. Some of it was less insightful. Some of it was pure gossip and hearsay. Some of it was possibly gossip and hearsay. Some of it was probably not gossip and hearsay. Some of it was revolutionary, some of it was anarchy, some of it was cyber-cronyism, and some of it was heart-breaking. And that was just last month.

The point is, whether helpful, unhelpful, or likely both, blogs have undermined (though not eliminated) the Group’s ability to work behind the scenes to influence the direction of the convention. There are almost no secrets anymore. The world always finds out, and if it hasn’t happened yet, trust me, it will. This should offer a word of warning to anyone who is in a high-profile position within the convention. (The same warning could be applied to pastors of local churches.) People are always watching. They are always listening. Every misspoken word will be recorded. Every fleshly moment will be found out. Every secret decision will come to light. Every hidden sin will be discovered. Every closed-door debate will be let out into the open. In some of these cases, it will be a bad thing when the cat is let out of the bag; it is a fact that not every secret is nefarious and not every closed-door debate is insidious. But sometimes it will be a good thing, if for no other reason than the ongoing sanctification of the one who must now be careful concerning what he says and does behind closed doors. Because all of the doors are now made of glass.

So watch your life, your doctrine, and your email exchanges–somebody is always watching. And even if some secrets manage to slide pass the blogo-police who are always on patrol, remember that there is One who sees all, and pleasing Him is infinitely more important than maintaining whatever meager amount of influence any of us may presume to wield in the Southern Baptist Convention. May the very presence of blogs remind us to allow God’s Word to shine its gospel spotlight into the deepest recesses of each of our hearts, exposing our sin, convicting us of our transgressions, and conforming us to the image of the One who gave his life for us.

Responses

Wade responds by noting that relatively few things should remain private because SBC agencies serve all Southern Baptists and that interested Baptists deserve to know what’s happening at their CP-funded institutions.

As clear and accurate of a statement about my convictions of Southern Baptist Cooperative ministry that I have read in three years.

So .. I’m getting the impression that your brilliant presentation at the Building Bridges thing was neither a fluke nor ghost-written.

Good stuff.

Bob,

Nathan’s presentation at BB was the outing of several top-secret email messages sent to him by yours truly.

Just kidding. :)

Nathan is right. There are no more secrets. I think people would be surprised to know how many people received Lemke’s email throwing Tom Ascol under the bus as well as those who were given information regarding the Yarnell/Barber resolution talks behind closed doors.

There are times in the life of a corporation where there is a vote of “no confidence” in their CEO. I wonder if the continued disclosure will produce a culture of untrustworthiness in the SBC (and the increased call of loyalty).

Nathan,
I find it interesting that people are screaming “foul” that discussions are going on behind closed doors concerning these resolutions. However, I wonder why no one had any concerns about Jonathan Merritt having input from many of the same people (those in SBC entities) for his statement on environmental stewardship.

There will be no response from this blogger—-I’m just sad that technology rules and not conscience—-ok, so that was a response………..nevermind………….

I am scratching my head wondering what highly classified email I may have sent to Nathan recently….nope, I am ok.
My hope is the cumulative effect of the newly flattened world will help to sharpen the focus of those who lead on issues that truly matter. I think that can happen, as long as we remember the spectrum of those who blog runs from the truly insightful to one step above the proverbial monkey at the typewriter’s chance at writing Hamlet! Whether talking about the Group or the Global community, accountability is a good thing.

Alvin hopes the effect of this “technology” will be to help to sharpen our focus. I also see that as a point of the original post. Things are not as they were, and will not again be. I often post on two list serves about Sacred Harp singing. On one list the reply automatically goes to the list. On the other it automatically goes to the individual. It is easy to forget that. Though I’ve never posted anything that I would be embarrassed for someone else to read, I have nevertheless posted e-mails to the list that I intended to send only to an individual. Perhaps eventually I will learn. So perhaps not only folks in the SBC, but all of us, will learn that the technology that brings us closer together also divulges our “secrets”. And as Nathan and Charles Wesley would point out:

And must I be to judgment bro’t, And answer in that day
For every vain and idle tho’t, And every word I say?
Yes, every secret of my heart Shall shortly be made known,
And I receive my just desert For all that I have done.
How careful, then, ought I to live! With what religious fear!
Who such a strict account must give For my behavior here!

Mr. Vaughn,

Good word. Thanks for sharing that excerpt from Wesley. Very helpful to think about.

The cat’s out of the bag…
Blogging can effect real life.
Who knew.

Regarding emails, it would be wise for us all to stick to a few rules:

1. Every email you write should be able to be read with approval from your mother

2. Every email you write should be able to be rad with approval from your wife

3. Know that everything that you write through email produces a paper trail and can be traced back for up to 5 years by the government (this also includes text messaging)

4. If you have something “secret” better say it in person or by phone the former is not possible.

4. The only truly secret things are those that pop around in our heads that are not verbalized.

Please excuse the numerous typos…it’s late.

I don’t publish everything I receive and I don’t publish everything I know, but I do believe the church and religious institutions should be open systems to their own, especially.

But in the end it matters very little what I do or do not know or tell. Your last paragraph says it all.

Nathan.

AMEN AMEN AMEN

You have revealed God’s View of all things. He knows every hair on our Heads. I have to say of all the Truths of anything written on these Blogs, you have said it all. God is allowing technology to reveal the Hearts of the Leaders of Southern Baptist and the people in the Pews. I am sure it is not pleasing to the Lord and that is why Dr Tom Ascol’s Resolution should be indorsed. Dr Tom Ascol is a Christian Leader who asks all of us to Repent of all our Sins of Disclosures. The Dr Yarnell-Barber Resolution (backed by Dr Paige Patterson) seem to be to Full of Pride and not wanting to us the BIG R word for REPENT.

Nathan I see you are now a Member of what I would call a Godly Seminary (SEBTS) that God is Building and that is because God is being allowed to have a Direct Hand in that Seminary, not Man. May God continue to Bless SEBTS and the President Dr. Daniel L. Akin who has turned it around.

Thank you Nathan Finn for your part in the Building of God’s Kingdom.

Wayne

Wayne,

I appreciate your kind words, but I would respectfully disagree that the Barber-Yarnell Resolution is full of pride. While it does not explicitly call for repentance, it clearly admits that things need to change. While I would personally prefer repentance language be included, I do wholeheartedly affirm everything the Barber-Yarnell Resolution says. I have endorsed both resolutions.

NAF

Concerning “The Group”:

The shelf-life of a denominational head/bigwig is surprisingly long…SEVERAL pre-CR heads remained in place late into the 1980’s (hoping to write a book on the subject, FYI). Many ballyhoo the seemingly backward-looking perspective of the SBC…she is what her leaders are…old school!

Well written and well said. That secrets rarely keep was understood long ago. Ben Franklin said, “Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead.” And you are correct: with electronic media, secrets are more likely to become known and in a more timely manner. I recently shared this with some in my family; it became necessary because of a dysfunction therein, and because of that dysfunction, they did not receive it. I mention this not to embarass my family, but because there is dysfunction in our SBC family. Dysfunction can be overcome, but only with intentionality and the commitment of will and resources. Are we willing to do this? Some are, I know; but are enough? As in my family, . . . time will tell.

Nathan,
One important correction/clarification in what you published about my note to the NOBTS faculty — my note never mentioned anyone by name, i.e., neither the framers of the resolution nor Tom Ascol. In providing some background for the resolution, I did mention that similar resolutions had failed in the past couple of conventions, and I attempted to provide a brief explanation of what I took to be the reason that such an otherwise noncontroversial resolution would fail to gain approval. Others may offer different explanations, of course, but what I suggested was what I understood to be the consensus understanding of why that happened. At any rate, in none of this did I name anyone by name (and I did so intentionally, so as not to bring personalities into it or be critical of anyone). It would therefore be difficult for any fair-minded observer to understand my words as being critical of any particular (unnamed) individual.

So, to be clear, I did not mention the names of the authors of that resolution, I did not mention or criticize any other proposed amendments that might be presented to the convention, and I did not mention anybody associated with any of the resolutions. For that matter, I made it very clear that I was not asking the faculty to sign this resolution on a regenerate church membership; I was simply making them aware of it in case their convictions were such that they felt led to sign it.

Since this resolution had garnered broad support from people across convention life, my hope was that this resolution offered some common ground that Calvinists and non-Calvinists alike could join hands in a joint affirmation of this historic Baptist principle. I guess I was wrong.

By the way, for what it’s worth, I do not consider myself an enemy of Tom Ascol. For example, not only has Tom taught classes at an NOBTS extension center, but Tom was also a guest host at my invitation for the Baptist Blog on our Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry web site, which provided a venue for him to express his perspectives on a number of issues, and those comments are posted permanently on our web site. One would not do such a thing without (a) having respect for the individual involved and (b) believing that his views have a right to be heard. (Other Blog guests have included Wade Burleson, Rudy Gray, Morris Chapman, Frank Page, and Ed Stetzer, just to name a few). So, I am not interested in criticizing Tom Ascol personally. Do we disagree on a few issues? Of course we do. But I would hope that those disagreements would be about issues rather than personal criticisms.

I do appreciate the admonitions in your article about the new realities of lost privacy in our technological age, and the need to be circumspect any one’s written communications. I am disappointed in the motivations that apparently led someone to make a document public that was clearly intended for a particular audience. I’m afraid that in all this, some will learn the painful lesson that they should not throw stones if they live in a glass house. However, there was nothing hidden or secretive in my email to the NOBTS faculty, and I am happy to stand behind what I said.

Dr. Lemke,

With all due respect, when the first sentence of your email says,

“A resolution regarding integrity in church membership was proposed but defeated at last year’s annual SBC meeting, largely because of its wording and because the person who proposed it is associated with pushing a narrow theological agenda . . .

who else is the public to think was “the person who proposed it”?

There was only one person who proposed it in 2006 and 2007, and that was Tom Ascol.

Sir, you don’t have to mention names for anyone to know who you were talking about. I really do not understand how you are “not trying to be critical” when you are talking about “pushing a narrow theological agenda.”

Any “fair minded observer” would know that, indeed, you were critical–and you were critical of one person–Tom Ascol.

If it is your hope that “this resolution offered some common ground that Calvinists and non-Calvinists alike could join hands in a joint affirmation of this historic Baptist principle,” then it would make sense not to use such derogatory and condescending language in public email, for, in the very email expressing your desire for a joint affirmation, you contradict it by demeaning the people with whom you consider to have “a narrow theological agenda.”

To send such an email to the faculty of a SBC seminary is must unfortunate indeed, but at least in the public dissemination of the fact, our fellow Baptists, as fair-minded observers, will be able to make up their mind for themselves just who the “person who proposed the resolution” actually is. I’m pretty confident that they will not think it was Charlie Brown. :)

Dr. Lemke,

Thanks for your comment. I have to confess that I am not sure why you chose to address these issues here rather than at SBC Outpost. Note that I did not accuse you of criticizing Tom. Rather, I said that Paul Littleton accused you of criticizing Tom at SBC Outpost. I have neither accused you of criticizing Tom personally nor have I criticized you in any way in this post. I was merely using the two other posts referenced above to try and remind all of us that we need to be above-board in what we say and do because someone is always watching. But again, I do appreciate you taking the time to comment here.

I do want to say that I do not think the issue of the two resolutions are dividing Calvinists and non-Calvinists. I know of several Calvinists, myself included, who wholehearedly endorse the Yarnell-Barber Resolution. I also know a number of non-Calvinists who support Tom’s resolution. I think that there are honest differences of opinion among Southern Baptists about the best way to address this issue in a resolution, but I do not think that one’s convictions about Calvinism are especially influential in which side they come down on (at least among spiritually mature Calvinists and non-Calvinists). I strongly suspect that the vast majority of SBC messengers on all sides of the Calvinism question will unite around a single resolution once we get to Indy, even if it does not say everything that everyone wishes it would say (what resolution does?).

Thanks again for the comment, and best wishes with your ministry at NOBTS.

NAF

Timmy and company,

Again, let me insist that I had no intent to criticize anyone in the section of the sentence in the note that you copied, much less to be “demeaning” or to use “derogatory and condescending language” about anyone (although, frankly, the sarcastic tone of your note seems demeaning, derogatory, and condescending to me). However, I did not intend to communicate any such message, and if Tom or anyone took it as such, I apologize. That was not my intent at all.

While I realize that many of you have been very involved in this and may have known who made these resolutions, that is not the case with our faculty. Our faculty members tend not to be very engaged politically, most of them don’t read blogs, most of them don’t attend the convention, and none of them were involved in the earlier resolutions. I would would be very surprised if hardly any of them had any idea who made the earlier resolutions, or even that such resolutions were proposed. As for myself, I wouldn’t have remembered myself who proposed the earlier resolutions had I not been included in a series of emails that traced the rationale for the new resolution. Nor was I aware until recently that resolutions had been proposed by Tom two years. I tend to be in the NOBTS booth representing the seminary during these conventions. I did not hear any discussion or debate on the earlier resolutions, I did not participate in anything in regard to these resolutions, and I did not vote for or against them. Also, at the point in time that I sent the email, I was not aware that Tom was intending to propose an alternative resolution. I thought that this resolution was a way of affirming what Tom was trying to accomplish, while making it more of a consensus document by removing some of the things about which others had objections. I knew that Nathan, for example, had endorsed the new resolution, and I did have hopes that this was something about which we could all join hands and endorse a consensus resolution.

Again, all I was trying to do in this note was make our faculty aware of the resolution, and in so doing I was trying to provide a brief background for the “why” of the resolution. So in the section of the sentence that you quoted, I was simply repeating what I had heard from other well-connected convention observers — that the prior resolutions were not adopted because of some of the wording and because of the perception that there was a political/theological agenda behind those resolutions. Maybe that was wrong, maybe it was right. But why else would a resolution about such a basic Baptist belief not be affirmed by the convention? How do you account for it? Perhaps you know of some other better explanation. Perhaps there was a vote counting malfunction. But I took this to be the most likely explanation, and I was simply providing it as background for this new resolution. Again, I don’t see why this would be understood as criticism of Tom. I was simply trying to be descriptive in providing my understanding of why the earlier resolutions had not been successful. Frankly, if I or someone else from my perspective were to author a resolution on some other topic (say, calling on churches with low baptisms to repent of their disobedience to the Great Commission), many of you would oppose if for precisely those two reasons. I wouldn’t see that as personal criticism; I would think that you simply disagreed with my perspective (or perhaps that you might fear that I would use such a resolution to criticize Calvinist churches with low baptisms). We all have perceptions about each other.

Again, I apologize that I was not able to communicate better, particularly if I seemed demeaning or condescending. That intent or attitude never entered my mind, and though we have Calvinistic faculty members, not a single one of them has voiced this concern to me about the email (and believe me, they would!). I regret that my email to my colleagues has been read in this way.

I don’t see anything edifying in continuing this discussion about my email. I have no interest in arguing with brothers about such things. I don’t see SBC resolutions as worth fighting about — they accomplish very little other than an expression of opinion by a particular meeting of the convention, they have no force for a local autonomous church, and they don’t help win anybody to Christ. So it is my intent that this be my last comment on this matter. I probably should not have commented on your criticisms, but I did feel the need to correct the misperceptions aboutg what I had said. I hope you’ll accept my explanation and apology, but if not, from now on I reckon I’ll just let you demean me in abstentia. I do still harbor some hope that despite our differing convictions on some matters, that we can get together on this very basic and important issue of focusing our churches on the need for a regenerate church membership.

Dr. Lemke,

When you say,

“Nor was I aware until recently that resolutions had been proposed by Tom two years,”

are you stating, then, that when you say “the person who proposed” the resolutions in the past as “having a narrow, theological agenda” you were making that public statement in total ignorance?

If that is the case, why make such a statement a matter of public record, when you, as a denominational servant and seminary administrator, are doing it in complete ignorance? Is this acceptable behavior for someone representing one of our seminaries which, as you have stated, seeks to have a balanced and fair treatment of all theological convictions within in the SBC? Is it appropriate to disseminate the skewed opinions of “well-connected convention observers”–opinions that you apparently do not want to own yourself?

Furthermore, when you say

I thought that this resolution was a way of affirming what Tom was trying to accomplish, while making it more of a consensus document by removing some of the things about which others had objections.

have you not tacitly stated that the two objections needing removal was (a) the wording and (b) the person who proposed it and his narrow theological agenda?

You ask,

But why else would a resolution about such a basic Baptist belief not be affirmed by the convention? How do you account for it?

I believe it is precisely because it has been politicized and the fact that we do not want to own up to our denominational pride. Tom’s resolution came with no pretense or political investment. He presented a resolution that is genuinely biblical and historically Baptist, and for reasons outside the Bible and our heritage, this resolution has been shot down time and again. The issue is not with Tom or some supposed “theological agenda,” but the corruption of leadership with the SBC who is unwilling to do what is right. I find it amazing that the very person who has done more to contend for what makes us Baptist is the one accused of having a narrow theological agenda. Imdeed the historic belief of regenerate church membership isa narrow, theological agenda, for very few Southern Baptists today believe it enough to practice it in their churches.

Finally, you stated,

I don’t see SBC resolutions as worth fighting about — they accomplish very little other than an expression of opinion by a particular meeting of the convention.

I am encouraged that you would say this, for there are many Southern Baptist leaders who have fought over very nonessential matters in the past, including the issue of alcohol (which was on the floor in 2006 when Tom attempted to present the resolution for the first time). If Southern Baptists can get so worked up over an extrabiblical matter, then certainly we can draw our attention to the defining issue that makes us Baptist.

For the record, nothing I have said has the intention of “demeaning” you. I am simply addressing statements which you have made which I find problematic and frankly, indefensible. Perhaps another email could be sent to the NOBTS faculty and administration correcting the unfortunate comments made in the one you previously sent. At the least, it would show that indeed, you want to focus on our churches and need for regenerate church membership and not simply buy into the off-hand comments of political informants.

I appreciate your willingness to dialogue with me, and I hope that the record can be set straight.

Timmy,

How dare you demean such a denominational servant in abstentia. Besides, he’s too busy taking other people’s word for things to be bothered with checking back on this blog to answer every one of your valid “condescending” questions.

And, for the record, I can tell you that multiple faculty members at NOBTS knew exactly what Lemke was saying in his email. For him to state that faculty would have come to him directly and complained about his treatment of Ascol an unnamed proposer of a certain twice defeated resolution is a lofty, but false, belief. To get on Lemke’s bad side is to make an unrecoverable mistake, especially if it relates to the issue of Calvinism.

Dr. Lemke,

I don’t know you at all. I don’t want to impugn your character at all. But it is difficult for me to conceive of anyone not knowing about the author of this resolution who is engaged in any meaningful way in SBC life. You stated “our faculty members tend not to be very engaged politically” and I could understand that in regard to actual politics (i.e. Republican vs Democrat). But surely they are engaged about the issues which are prominent among Southern Baptists, especially those which will powerfully affect their students in future years of ministry. If I were a faculty member at New Orleans I would find that remark to be demeaning. I also find it surprising that a person in your position would simply dismiss issues debated at the Convention as “politics.”

As far as the rest of it — what Timmy said.

So that this does not turn into an ongoing debate about what Steve Lemke did or did not say rather than how all us should or should not live coram deo–which was the point of the post–I am closing comments.

NAF

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