Posted by: nathanfinn | May 21, 2008

Unplugged: The Future of SBC Calvinism

This is the second in a series of posts wherein I will share my opinions on some of the pressing issues in the SBC. The genesis of this series is a post titled “The Questions Young Future Leaders are Asking.” In that post, I listed fifteen of the top questions my Baptist History and Distinctives students ask me on the last day of class, which is an extended Q & A about the future of the convention. This list is not exhaustive. I do not claim it represents all or even the most pressing issues among us. It does, however, represent the specific issues my students are concerned about. Like the IMB question, this question always comes up.

2. Will the SBC split over Calvinism? (Variation: Do you think they will “kick out” all the Calvinists one day?)

The future of SBC Calvinism is actually a relatively complicated issue with implications for other issues. As I see it, there are at least four different Southern Baptist responses to Calvinism. Note that this typology is concerned more with how someone reacts to Calvinism rather than how many “points” one affirms, though there is obviously some overlap between the two.

A. Some Southern Baptists are non-cooperative non-Calvinists. Some of these folks are simply revivalistic evangelicals who are fearful of the influence Calvinism will have on common practices and emphases. Others just despise Calvinist theology. Some non-cooperative non-Calvinists are Amyraldians, but most of them appear to be classical Arminians, i.e. non-Wesleyan Arminians with a high view of sin (though not total depravity), a belief in conditional or corporate election and a general atonement, and an affirmation of some form of eternal security. Non-cooperative non-Calvinists either see Calvinism as a threat to the convention’s status quo or they believe Calvinism is the wrong solution to the convention’s problems–maybe even a worse problem. Not all non-cooperative non-Calvinists want to see Calvinists leave the SBC, but all of them want to see Calvinism relegated to small churches with little intradenominational influence. They definitely do not want to see very many Calvinists receiving CP funds to plant churches (either domestically or internationally) or teach in seminaries and colleges. Many of them are opposed to the Abstract of Principles because they believe it is too Calvinistic. Others have no problem with the Abstract, so long as nobody actually interprets the words to mean what the drafters of the confession intended. Non-cooperative non-Calvinists tend to misrepresent the convictions of Calvinists (Calvinists aren’t evangelistic) and use incorrect labels when discussing Calvinism (”hyper-Calvinism,” “militant Calvinism”). Though there are some well-known Southern Baptists that probably fit into this category, I suspect it is a minority position among non-Calvinists. Non-cooperative non-Calvinism is an extreme position and is a threat to the future of the SBC.

B. Some Southern Baptists are cooperative non-Calvinists. Like the above category, these folks can shake out anywhere between classical Arminianism and Amyraldianism, though I think it is safe to say there is a higher percentage of the latter in this category. Cooperative non-Calvinists do not agree with consistent Calvinism and they do not want to see the SBC become a Calvinist-dominated denomination. But they do believe there is a place in the SBC for Calvinists, even in positions of leadership and influence. For many folks in this category, Calvinism is not a threat to the convention, but plays a prophetic role in speaking out against much of the silliness and shallowness in the SBC, even if Calvinism does not always provide the best solution for those problems. Most of the non-Calvinist students I know fall into this category, as do a number of non-Calvinist professors at seminaries and colleges. The Building Bridges Conference last November was the brainchild of several cooperative non-Calvinists and some guys in the following category. This is a reasonable position that will aid the convention in building upon the foundation of the Conservative Resurgence as we move toward a Great Commission Resurgence.

C. Some Southern Baptists are cooperative Calvinists. These folks are consistent Calvinists, meaning they hold to some form of “five-point” Calvinism. Cooperative Calvinists want to see the influence of Calvinism grow within the SBC. They are excited by both the renewed interest in the soteriological convictions of our Southern Baptist forefathers and the creative interaction between contemporary Calvinistic Southern Baptists and other Calvinistic evangelicals. Cooperative Calvinists think that Calvinism offers some good solutions for some of the problems in the SBC, but they are willing to work together with cooperative non-Calvinists within the convention’s framework. Cooperative Calvinists are not interested in turning the SBC into a Calvinist denomination, though they would be delighted to see a tempering of some of the revivalism and pragmatism in the convention. All of the Calvinists I know who work within the bureaucracy are cooperative Calvinists, as are the majority of the Calvinistic students and pastors I know. Several cooperative Calvinists participated in the Building Bridges last November. This is a reasonable position that will aid the convention in building upon the foundation of the Conservative Resurgence as we move toward a Great Commission Resurgence.

D. Some Southern Baptists are non-cooperative Calvinists. Like the above category, these folks are consistent Calvinists. Unlike the above category, non-cooperative Calvinists are unwilling to join hands with those who do not share all or most of their theological convictions. For these folks, Calvinism is the gospel, and its as simple as that. Furthermore, the SBC is an almost hopelessly Pelagian denomination that needs to be rescued from the coming wrath of God. Calvinism is the magic pill that will solve all the SBC’s ailments. Though there are much fewer non-cooperative Calvinists than there are non-cooperative non-Calvinists (there are fewer Calvinists, after all), they probably comprise about the same percentage within SBC Calvinism that vocal non-cooperatives do among the non-Calvinists. I do know a handful of Calvinistic pastors who fit this bill. I also know some students that are like this, though I hold out hope that most of them are just immature new Calvinists. Thankfully, when most folks have this mentality they tend to leave the SBC and align with more consistently Calvinistic groups, much like separatist fundamentalists of an earlier generation. Non-cooperative Calvinism is an extreme position and is a threat to the future of the SBC.

Here’s the point of the above typology: if Calvinism is to have a future in the SBC, then both extremes have to pipe down and play nicely or leave the convention to align with other groups. The tragedy in this whole thing is the way that the different extremes feed off of each other. Many cooperative non-Calvinists have been driven to a non-cooperative position by personal interaction with a pugnacious Calvinist or two. Many cooperative Calvinists have been mistreated or maligned by non-cooperative non-Calvinists, pushing them toward a non-cooperative Calvinist position.

Both Calvinists and non-Calvinists have a legitimate claim to the convention. Calvinists can rightly argue that their convictions are more consistent with earlier generations of Southern Baptists than many non-Calvinists (Amyraldians have pretty much always been around the SBC, though most of the early leaders were five-pointers). Non-Calvinists can rightly argue that their convictions are more consistent with recent generations of Southern Baptists (they understandably tend to view Calvinism as a recent innovation rather than a resurgence). Both sides can rightly call upon history to buttress their arguments; they simply reference different points in history.

Because the SBC was formed as a means for missionary Baptists to cooperate together in common mission endeavors, it is critical that non-cooperatives on all sides of this issue get with the program or find another place to call home. I mean no ill will; non-cooperative non-Calvinists would be more at home with Independent Baptists, and non-cooperative Calvinists would be more at home in “capital R” Reformed denominations and networks. This is because both groups are more interested in furthering their pet agenda and/or mandating their personal theological convictions rather than cooperating together to make disciples of all nations.

So to answer the original question: I do not think the SBC will divide over Calvinism, though it is possible if the extremes do not tone it down or move on. Think about the trend: As many as one-third of the SBC pastors and staff members who are recent seminary graduates are consistent Calvinists. That is not counting younger church leaders who did not graduate from seminary or have only a college education. That is not counting North American church planters, foreign missionaries, or professors, ministries that a disproportionately high number of Calvinists seem to gravitate towards. And that is not counting Amyraldians and other types of “four-point” Calvinists. In other words, Calvinism is becoming more influential in the SBC, which is why it is critical that convention Calvinists be willing to cooperate and non-Calvinists be willing to let them do so.

If the above-mentioned cooperation does not happen, then yes, we will divide over Calvinism. The SBC will lose a healthy chunk of its “younger leaders” and the annual meetings will be attended by 1500 senior citizens and “harvest evangelists” while Sovereign Grace and Reformed Baptist churches will get a surge of new pastors and missionaries who drink sweet tea, eat grits, and root for SEC football. When that happens, there will be no Great Commission Resurgence and the Conservative Resurgence will prove to be little more than the last gasp of an ultimately irrelevant group of Baptists in the American South and Southwest.
And that will be a shame.

Responses

Nathan: Good post again. I could quote so many substantial lines in this post that are important, at least to me, but the main thing you said wraps it all up. In fact the whole paragraph wraps it up, but for sake of brevity:

Both Calvinists and non-Calvinists have a legitimate claim to the convention.

I agree. In fact this could apply to other differences in the SBC and not just Calvinist or non-Calvinist.

I agree with your assessment. I think that the more conferences we have like “Building Bridges” and the more irenic the tone is, the more each side will learn from each other. Love should be the goal. I am a convinced Calvinist and I do not think others will be convinced my view of God’s sovereignty if they do not see love. Coming from a 29 year old, I hope the SBC can work this out. I assure you that if non-Calvinists move more toward treating Calvinists as heretical and red-headed step-children, I will not stay.

Good post!

Nathan,
You can be assured that both non-Calvinists and Calvinists in the SBC will be a part of the SBC as long as we have an annuity board.
Bill

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Nathan, you are spot on. I really appreciate the thought that you put into this discussion, and I believe you have arrived at a very valid conclusion. Speaking as someone who has been a part of all 4 types at some point in my spiritual walk, and in the last few years often walked precariously on the line between cooperating and non-cooperating calvinist, I can attest to the good influence that those of a more irenic nature have had on me. Men like you, Dr. Akin (whom I guess to be amyraldian), and my dad (a confessed arminian) have been shining examples to me on how to love and work with those with whom we disagree. All that to say, “Thank you, brother”

@hottubreligion

a bit smart-alecky, but probably true.

Nathan, I fit type C . . . and agree with your assessment of the each type.

strike the ‘the’ in the last part of that comment. oops. :)

Nathan:
Nailed it my brother. I am very confident the SBC will move forward because increasingly the B and C folks (the vast majority) get exactly what you are saying. I am a B, you are a C, and we get along just peachy. Both of these have been a part of who we are historically. I think we can look back and see how we have at times swung toward a B+ if you will (B leaning to A), and now some fear we may move to a C- (closer to D). Okay, if one thinks of this as a grade scale they would miss my point.
I suppose I would argue that we are most robust as a convention when we have young and old, convention leadership and non, who are represented by B and C types.
I would also say that the majority of people in my age (40-early 50s), folks like Akin, Rainer, many of my pastor friends, etc, would be closer to B but not unkind to C folks at all. Your generation, those under 40, would tend to be more C, but would gladly work with the B’s among us. Part of the controversy today IMHO stems from the shift that is happening at exactly this juncture, with more hysteria that humility being represented by those reacting to the shift. Maybe I am simply an eternal optimist, but I am not overly concerned about the future of the convention or of evangelism/missions as long as a healthy tension (and more importantly, respect) remains between those of the B type and those of the C, even as we swing with time toward B for a season and then toward C in the next.

Nathan,
Great assessment. I do have one question, though. In your discussion on Position A, you state that “Though there are some well-known Southern Baptists that probably fit into this category, I suspect it is a minority position among non-Calvinists.” Are you saying that it is a minority position among leaders or among SBC laypeople? If it is leaders, I agree. If it is laypeople, though, I think the evidence points to the contrary. Perhaps I am letting my own experience color my assessment, but I have heard time after time of a church who doesn’t want a Calvinist coming in because of their soteriology. Obviously, part of this is due to pastors who fit into category D, but I think part of it is due to the fact that many of our laypeople fit into category A.

Less than 3 months ago I applied for an associate position in another state. The pastor was reformed in his ecclesiology and soteriology, we got along great, I had great conversations with the deacons and some of the search committee. But then one older deacon asked me about my position on Calvinism, I told him I affirmed it, and it all fell through. The man had some serious misconceptions and I tried to talk them out with him, but in the end he just said no way b/c of my Calvinism. He continued to object based on his misconceptions.

I think this could be echoed from numerous men across the country. I’m not sure why this is the case, but it seems that at least a significant chunk of our SBC laypeople fit into category A. Again, maybe I am making too broad of an assessment based on one bad search experience and a number of conversations with friends and acquaintances. If I am, I apologize. But if I’m not, I think it is going to harder to coalesce as a convention of local churches filled with laypeople than it would be if just the leadership had to come together.

Matt,

I have no clue which category the average SBC layperson would fit–could be either A or B. I was thinking mostly about pastors, denominational leaders, etc. I expect there is great diversity among “the people in the pews” on this and almost every other issue we debate.

NAF

Dr. Finn, thank you for this post. I, too, fear that what is actually going on in many SBC circles is overshadowed by what is going on over SBC airwaves. You were also right in pointing out that much of the struggle is not just theological, but generational. Therefore the need for Christian civility and charity is vital. To be honest, there needs to be much repentance on both sides, for we have not spoken the truth in love. I was thankful for the Building Bridges conference because it sought to be a place where mindless caricatures could be put aside and real people with real arguments and real concerns could come together and discuss the work of God in the gospel. May we as Southern Baptists continue in that spirit of humility and love, striving to be faithful to the witness of the Scriptures, and not in the spirit of slander and malice, winning the debate but losing the testimony.

Matt,
I would say that for the people that know on the surface something about Calvinism they are against it. My guess it that the common church member could not tell you what Calvinist or an Arminian is. With that being the case, they think the reason that they are saved is because God knew what they would do and to think that God only chose some, would make God to be immoral. This was how I felt for a while. The more I learned the more I drifted over to the Doctrines of Grace. I have heard of similar situations of Pastors not being hired because of his stance. My suggestion is that when asked “Are you a Calvinist?” simply ask them what they mean by the term Calvinist. :)

“…and root for SEC football”

Most disturbing

Benji-

Though he roots for the wrong SEC team, Nathan got that part 100% correct! :-)

Go Gators!

Nathan, first let me echo Micah’s comment on rooting for SEC football being 100% correct. Let me chide him for a moment and you in saying that UT Football is the correct (and only correct) team for which the elect should cheer.

More on point, I believe that you have poignantly displayed the categories of those within the SBC, especially the local church. I am confident that pastors who have the courage to address the biblical issues related to soteriology with the congregation they serve will help alleviate some of the wranglings and misconceptions that we find prominent among the people in the church.

For my part, I think that the key for us is to focus upon the gospel and God’s mission. The mission is more important than being misunderstood, and we are called by Christ as the church to make disciples who are missionary followers of Christ. It is a glorious task, but it demands daily diet of doctrine from Scripture.

The common ground that Southern Baptist’s share is the gospel that has formed us and moves us forward on this mission. For the less Reformed, this means that we must be true to the gospel of Jesus Christ crucified, not proclaiming the part, but the whole. For the more Reformed, this means that we must be true to the gospel of Jesus Christ crucified, proclaiming the whole with a clear call to repent and decision (See Jonathan Edward’s sermon on “The Excellencies of Christ”).

Thank you for the clarity with which you have presented this. Very clear and unmuddled thinking for a phd (grin).

Eric

Edit: Let me clarify — since my first paragraph was muddled (a good example of my phd thinking) — I chide you and Micah, because I am eternally confident that ONLY UT Volunteers are the appointed team in SEC football.

Go Vols!
Eric

Great analysis. Glad I found your blog.
– Todd

As a 37 year old SB”C” pastor, I agree wholeheartedly.

Good analysis.
I struggle with the tension between “C” and “D”.
I want to cooperate with non-Calvinists, but most (but not all) of the non-calvinists I know are antagonistic to Calvinism as a system.
Its a lot easier to cooperate with non-baptists who are Calvinists than it is to deal with other SBC non-calvinists.
Just my two cents.
~tim

I am confused about I fit in. I believe in God’s sovereignty in salvation and see the logic behind the limited atonement position. But I also see a number of scriptures that seem to be more naturally interpreted as supporting general atonement.

I don’t fit in category B because I believe in soveriegnty in salvation. I don’t fit category C because I am not an ardent 5 pointer.

Oh, where? Oh where do I fit in?

But, on a more serious note - your perspectives are the best I have seen on convention issues.

I have been strong-arming Bart Barber to run for SBC president. He has steadfastly declined to run. If you keep writing this kind of stuff, don’t be surprised if there is a stealth nomination in Indy.

Since when is the University of Texas (UT) in the SEC?
Grin

Oh, Dr. Reid, my good friend (told you I would get that in)! You bring much needed clarity to the discussion. My heart breaks, however, for the apparent deception that “burnt orange” has brought into your world!!! There is only one True UT and it is shrouded by the shade of God’s majestic creative work — The Smoky Mountains!

Love ya’, man!
ET

Nathan,
Great Analogy and presentation from the Heart for the SBC, as a Christian who happens to be of the Baptist Persuasion.
Dave Miller, I believe you are in the same group that Nathan is in.
Wayne Smith

If Nathan runs, I might run against him. :-)

Nathan,
Great post.
I think the extreme Calvinist and the extreme non- Calvinist will cause the problems in the future.

Hyper-Calvinist blogs scare most SBC’rs and bad
soteriological preaching and comments by Non- calvinist in sermons by mega-church pastors cause the problems.

ANd they always will.

Nathan,

Great post! Your categories are dead-on.

I am so sick of Hunt, Vines, and Gaines ignorantly attacking hyper-Calvinists straw men in large, public venue. The guys in category “A” have influential platforms from which to spew their ____ . I am so thankful for thoughtful men like Akin, Patterson, and Rainer. I thought when a certain anti-Calvinist died things would change. Obviously, I was wrong.

No “D” person can poisen a state convention. “A” people can (and have). There is NO WAY I would ever vote for Hunt for SBC president and trust him to treat Calvinist fairly. Never!

I think their are enough Calvinist pastoring growing, effective churches with biblical understandings of church membership and discipleship, that the convention’s “togetherness” will outlast the present crop of big-church, big-mouth anti-Calvinist.

Yea, I am irritated and have been for a few years now. By the way, I am a very cooperating believer in God’s sovereignty in salvation.

sorry, my “their” should be a “there.”

Ksmith,
You may be sorry for saying “their”instead of “there”but you certaintly don’t have to apoligize for your comments.
They are right “there”where they should be and I hope “their”will be many folks who will agree with you.(I do).
Bill

I would agree with Bill’s AB statement, except for the fact that the same quip was used back in the day during the Conservative Resurgence. Anybody remember that?

I’ve experienced much of what Tim Jones is speaking about. IMO, the majority of SBCers fit into the A category, not B. This is largely due to things they read in BP, on the internet, and from what they hear from mega-pulpits.

Just my 2 cents.

Do the “majority of SBCers” even know they are in the SBC? :)

Great post and I agree completely. Your categories are accurate for all of those within our convention (mostly leadership and pastors) who actually take the time to think about their soteriology.

But I don’t fear those who think about their stand on Calvinism nearly as much as I fear those who don’t think at all.

It’s the significant block within our convention who only do what they are told to do and believe what they are told to believe who could be our ruin.

Perhaps category E?

Dr. Reid, you should know that the UT of which you speak is actually ‘tu,’ which is “awfully” reminiscent of ‘PU.’ I have no grievances against the UT of the SEC, but let’s not taint with nastiness this blog with the _____ of Texas.
Gig ‘Em!
Kyle

Kyle

I saw a bumper sticker on a car the other day - it might have been yours. It said ” Honk if I’m and Aggie”

I just happen to be the father of the proudest member of the Fightin Texas Aggie class of 2008 WHOOP

Nathan

I this is an excellent series - except for all that SEC talk

Thank you for a very helpful post on a topic of much concern to many of both persuasions.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will work through the current emphasis on expository preaching in the SBC, and that, as a result, A’s and D’s will both develop an appropriate biblical humility and charity toward the other viewpoint. I pray that the B’s and C’s would help as mediators in the process as they act to temper the extremes of their “camp” and thereby promote unity in the SBC.

I’ve been in Bible churches for many years, but if I were still in the SBC, I would be a B or C, depending on how you define the term “calvinist” (it seems to me that what many young calvinists call “calvinism” is practically speaking more like post-reformation “owenism.” ;)

I am very grateful for the enthusiasm of these young men in the SBC who are anxious to recover sound biblical teaching and for those who teach them. My younger son is one of them, and I am very proud of his desire to be a faithful expositor and pastor. I plead with these young men to be quite careful to be respectful and not dismissive of those who may have a different persuasion of biblical truth but who desire to unite for the cause of Christ. Perhaps they are not merely ignorant and unenlightened but are sincerely persuaded of their position from study of the Scriptures.

I’m also grateful to those who fought the battle for the Bible and brought the truth of inerrancy back to the churches and seminaries. I plead with them to have the wisdom to listen to and appreciate the enthusiasm which the young “calvinists” have for Christ and for His word. They and others their age are the future of the SBC, and they need the respect and biblical leadership of the elders in the convention.

If Gators and Seminoles, Vols and Bulldogs, and Longhorns and Aggies have been able to work together in the SBC, what obstacle is a little dispute about calvinism? Go Gators, Go Bulldogs, and Hook ‘em!

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